Response to Prophet’s (saw) Cartoons?
Published by Haseeb February 3rd, 2006 in Current News, Islam, Sami YusufFirst off, Id like to clarify that it is indeed very offensive for any1 to depict Prophet Muhammad 
in cartoon form in the manner in which the Danish cartoonists have. Its pretty ridiculous that they would do such a thing. And the fact that even after the ensuing backlash in the Muslim world, some other papers in Germany and France decided to go ahead and publish these cartoons in lieu of the huge backlash is just beyond ridiculous.
*edited, again*
These people just dont get it. its about respect, and a lack of respect. The prophet of God, Muhammad (saw) is more beloved to all 1.5+ billion of us, than our own families and selves. We believe it is prohibited to even depict our prophet in the form of an image. So the only outcome of such cartoons would be an overwhelming backlash.
Again, this isnt a matter of free speech and liberty, it just a lack of respect. However, on the other side of the spectrum, I was blown back as to how extense the response from the Muslim world has been. While it may stem from an admirable trait, that we all love and respect our dear Prophet (May the Peace and Blessings of God be upon him) - is it a little too extensive?
Sister Jenn, in her blog linked anand expanded a piece from other person’s blog titled, How the Prophet May Have Responded to the Cartoons, emphasizing how the Prophet (saw) dealt with acts of disrespect, disgrace, and contemptment in his own life. Its worth reading. Shaykh Faraz actually put up a link to this post as well.
Muslims are not angry people. A Muslim does not act upon feelings of hate, animmiosity, or enmity. Yes, the cartoons were despicable, but for Muslims to react in a despicable manner by warranting death threats is completely antagonistic the very prophetic spirit we are supposed to embody! -
*edit* - We definitely should get involved, and actively respond - to defend our prophet (saw) and demand respect by respectful means! For example, we should support boycotts of these newspapers, and those companies/governments who support these comics.
I dont want to write any more on this topic, for it is quite controversial. Muslims are people of faith, faith in God. In the end, we belive in a God that is in control of everything. If we really believe that God is in control of everything, is it justified at all for certain to act in manners that the prophet of God strived so hard to set forth for his ummah. Manners of mercy, compassion, forgiveness, dealing justly - even when faced with harshness and cruelty. Subhanallah…
I’ll end this post by a recent quote from everyone’s favorite Muslim celebrity, Sami Yusuf (yes, that Sami Yusuf). He was asked about his thoughts on the outrage campaign set forth by many Muslims.
“I’m not saying turn a blind eye, but we shouldn’t make too much of an issue out of it becaus we are giving them publicity, we’re making them famous”
*Updated*
For those who want to see the caricatures, they are located at Wikipedia, as well as some guy’s blog. I am not linking them up to promote them, as I am severely outraged at these images (some moreso than others). But I think its worth sharing for those who do want to see what the fuss is all about. The wikipedia article is a good read for an overview of the entire controvery and its response.
I fully agree that a response that includes death threats and such is not warranted, and is inappropriate, and I don’t think at all that that is how the Prophet (saw) would react. But at the same time I think that it is way too much of an over statement to say that the despicability of their act is over-shadowed by our response. I don’t mind a little anger when it comes to someone blaspheming our Prophet (saw) - however the anger should be for Allah
’s sake, with resultant action based on well-thought out principle - not uncontrolled rage.
But seriously, let’s leave the Muslim bashing aside for now. We have our issue but the real issue here is that now some of the European countries -especially Germany, which was one of the countries re-printed it- are saying some really ridiculous things. For example, the editor in chief of the German paper that published the cartoon said:
“It’s at the very core of our culture that the most sacred things can be subjected to criticism, laughter and satire.”
On the front page of French paper, ‘France Soir’ there was a headline in response to the Muslims’ outcry: “Yes, we have the right to caricature God,” and there was a cartoon of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods.
These European countries, whose brand of secularism is ten times more smelly and disgusting than the U.S.’s (which comparitively is really not that bad at all), say that it’s core to their culture that the most sacred things be subject to laughter? Well that’s their culture but it is obvious from their actions and words that it is much more than just a cultural difference - they identify it as an part of their cherished system of secularism, liberalism and democracy as was stated in a French paper:
“It is necessary to crush once again the infamous thing, as Voltaire liked to say. This religious intolerance that accepts no mockery, no satire, no ridicule. We citizens of secular and democratic societies are summoned to condemn a dozen caricatures judged offensive to Islam. Summoned by who? By the Muslim Brotherhood, by Syria, the Islamic Jihad, the interior ministers of Arab countries, the Islamic Conferences - all paragons of tolerance, humanism and democracy.
So, we must apologise to them because the freedom of expression they refuse, day after day, to each of their citizens, faithful or militant, is exercised in a society that is not subject to their iron rule. It’s the world upside down. No, we will never apologise for being free to speak, to think and to believe…
…They can claim whatever they like but we have the right to caricature Muhammad, Jesus, Buddha, Yahve and all forms of theism. It’s called freedom of expression in a secular country…”
(all these quote are from the BBC article or from other articles linked from their website by the way).
While it is true that there are some serious problems in the Muslim world in terms of its governments and its treatment of its peoples, I’d like to ask: who decided that democracy and secularism -especially the disgusting European kind- is the best system? I know that Muslims these days, especially in the West like to talk about how Islam is compatible with democracy, etc and by the way I do believe that - and I think it would be beneficial for us to have a system like that - HOWEVER: it should be on OUR terms. It should be because WE decide, as Muslims, that a democratic form of government works as a valid method of governing, one that is from and bound within shari’ principles. We don’t want the European version of democracy, “liberty” and “freedom” thrust down our throats - especially since at it’s “core” is the “right” to blaspheme our Prophet, and Allah
(swt).
If Europeans in their past had a big problem with their religion and their government and found a way out of it through their secular democracies then good for them. But these secular fanatics, who like to hide under the fake objectivity of a “value-free” secular culture (a contradiction in terms) need to realize that not everyone had the same problem with religion and government they did, and that much of the problems that they point out in the Muslim world today is a result of their meddling in our business when they colonized the Muslim world. What they see in the Muslim world is in great part a result of their screwing around with a people, of injecting foreign, Godless ideas into a system that would react the way it did when they did that. So their killing of our scholars and burning of our books, their dismantling of our education system, their infecting our minds and hearts with modern philosophies that are completely Godless and baseless, and then their support of the Muslim’s crooked governments for their selfish interests is now biting them in the ass. Since they blessed the world with the idea of “collateral damage”, so is it now dealt back to them with Muslim groups like al-Qaeda, that are mutant children of their own loins. Since they wanted to divide and conquer, they have to deal with militant groups festering in Europe - groups that are more results of modern thought than Islamic. So listen up France, Germany, England all the other religio-phobic countries - you can take your values, your experience in history, your secular democracy and… keep it to yourself. We don’t want it. IF we have a democratic Muslims state, it will be on OUR terms, based on OUR values, on OUR worldview - not yours.
Having said all of this I must emphasize that we as Muslims do not take kuffar as our teachers. They have their principles, and we have ours - they are firm on theirs, AND WE MUST BE FIRM ON OURS. If they abuse us, call us names, strike at us, oppress us, we must stand by WHAT IS JUST, and even better, in the way of the Prophet (saw), what is MERCIFUL. As Muslims we evaluate people for their own individual actions and don’t take collective people to task for the actions of some. As Muslims we do not violate our own principles for ANY REASON. We don’t respond out of anger or vengeance or desire for personal revenge. We respond BASED ON PRINCIPLE for the sake of God. Another point is that while I have been rather upset as you can tell by my post, I do stand by the fact that the Prophet (saw)’s attitude was one of compassion. When he (saw) saw people worshipping idols (in our case, secularism, democracy, whatever) and behaving badly because of it, he, blessed is he, did not look down on them or hate them, but ached for them out of compassion for his (saw) fellow human who is astray. That is how these people are. They are in the end our brothers and sisters in humanity, and we, out of NO choice of our own, have been blessed with a gift that we’re totally unworthy of. Out of humility we must work on a community level to affect positive change, to educate people, to reach out to them - to give Islamic solutions to their human problems - it is in THIS way, that we must proceed.
Please pardon my anger… I pray Allah
(swt) forgive me for my wrongs - but I’m leaving this the way it is because it carries messages I think are important.
Assalamu Alaykum.
PS - was reading over this again and I was a little ashamed of some of the language and the anger that I had… violates principle and is unacceptable. Astaghfirullah. Sorry about that.
the german editor who re-published the cartoons said last night that such actions are part of the country’s “satire and culture”-i.e they defame their Prophet Jesus (a.s), Mary(a.s) and even God and find it humorous!
what kind of ‘civilised society’ is it where people can go around offending and insulting people of other faiths in the name of “freedom of speech”,*knowing full well* that such actions will offend and insult?! these people dont even respect their own beliefs, how can we expect them to respect others.
oh wait, to top it all off, we also have these “moderate” muslims/academics allowing their Prophet (pbuh) to be defamed-all of course in the name of freedom of speech.
also, ‘muslim’ countries printing anti-semetic cartoons dont help either!
we should all speak up and write to the danish newspaper who started this (jp@jp.dk) and attend demo’s (peaceful and civilised oes of course) and defend the honour of our Beloved Nabi (s.a.w).
the Prophet (s.a.w) once said: “None of you truly believes until I become more beloved to you than your family, wealth and all people”
I agree ya akhi, we are not differing on the issue of standing up for our Islamic principles…
Until we get the iman in our hearts, our condition will never change and others will think they can keep trampling on us. Its time to stop blaming others for our problems and start working on fixing ourselves. Once we establish a respectable Muslim state then others will respect us and take us seriously. Thats how Islam started! Arabia was in the hole: prostitution, adultery, drinking, gambling, infantcide, killing, etc were all rampant in that society…and then Islam came from within, from inside and changed it, and it became an empire.
You can say…”well the ummah is this way because the West colonized the Muslims with its godless ideals and principles and such” however…its our fault for accepting them. We could have rejected it, the potential is there…but no one seems to care…and they just wine. Just like here in America there are Muslims who take the choice to not date, to not listen to haram music, to not wear skimpy clothes, to not committ adultery…all in a non-Muslim country. Alhamdulillah for that.
But over in the Middle East…they seem so lost. I never visitied, so I can’t say personally…but just from what I see in news and from stories, etc. They thrive on things they see as “Western.” They copy our tv shows like American Idol, they wear skimpier clothing, they waste their time smoking sheesha in coffee shops with mixed genders, vendors in the streets take advantage of you in selling, etc. In Egypt a fully covered woman can still be followed by men and harrassed…how gross!!!
In addition to dawah to non-Muslims…there needs to be a major push for dawah to Muslims. I think its happening in small movements here and there. For example, Amr Khaled is like the Oprah of the Middle East, masha’Allah
. He may not be a “scholar” but its amazing how much of a close following he has. We need more people to stand up like that and to appeal to the youth now so that they will raise conservative families in the future to stop this vicious cycle.
“You can say…”well the ummah is this way because the West colonized the Muslims with its godless ideals and principles and such” however…its our fault for accepting them.”
Sister Jenn, your absolutely right! I have always stood by what you say here, everyone who knows me knows that - I suppose I was just pointing out something to *them* since they do nothing but blame us for our state constantly. We of course understand that while they did do wrong, our concern is how *we* behave, respond and proactively move forward.
Full agreement with everything you wrote.
Jenn’s so masha’Allah
I agree, we can’t control what others do, but we can control what we do.
I think you wrote your blog with sensibility. Well Done.
The German editor was interviewed on here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm
right hand link.
Salamu ‘Alaykum
Haseeb, I dont think its proper to post the links to the cartoons. I know your intention is sincere but still…
Wasalam
It is also our fault for living in their lands.
We talk about bringing democracy in muslim lands but we are just a minority living in secular non-msulim lands(for now they are just that, killing muslims with our taxes) and in addition we are those that look down upon the majority in teh muslim lands. There is a price we have to pay for living in secular europe or America and that is the blasphemy of our prophet SAW and even if we protest, our protest will be retorted with the following above mentioned responses those people gave. Yet, the pain we feel in our hearts living among such tyranny is unfathomed more so than those who live in muslim lands, at least they dont have to deal with this.
America is just as disgusting as europe, why? you say
well, because if you dont remember couple of years ago, in NYC museum, they drew a blasphemous picture of Maryam AS or the virgin mary. For muslims, her status is equivalent to that of the prophets and many catholics and christians protested, but you know NYC is new Amsterdam, offcourse the jews had a ready response for that as well.
Woah. Wasn’t there a MASSIVE outcry from within the US about the “art work” of Maryam (as)? You think all these people who voted for Bush in the last two elections supported that thing? I think not. So I don’t think can say America is “as disgusting as Europe” or that Americans enjoy blaspheming sacred icons like some Europeans apparantly do. America is actually a lot less secular than Europe, many Americans consider themselves religious - maybe not in NY and CA but there’s the whole country inbetween… and those people do.
Muslims can live and spread their message wherever they are allowed to practice their Deen with freedom. I can practice my Deen better here than I feel I can in Pakistan, that’s my personal experience at least. That doesn’t mean we won’t face challenges living as a minority - we have to take those on. If in the past all Muslims just said, forget it we’re going to sit in our Muslim lands and not go anywhere else, you or I probably wouldn’t be Muslim right now. Yes there is a cost of living as a minority in this country, but we can practice our religion freely, and we can (and are) spreading it, alhamdulillah.
its not bad b/c he was caricatured, its probably happend a hundred times before - its bad b/c they showed him with a bomb under a turban. also, just think about how anti semitic those cartoons in egypt and other places are. these people who are protesting should be reflecting also. and third, of course the cartoons were wrong - why? b/c you arent allowed to draw racist cartoons or air racist looney toons episodes from the 50’s depicting japanese and slaves and such in the US, theres a reason for that
Why must we always argue over such petty issues. We always end up having the same petty debates over the same issues over and over again…
If you dont like living in these lands, no one is forcing you to live in America. Go move to Egypt or Saudi or India/Pakistan/Bangladesh or wherever ur from…. or how about Dubai - thats a nice place to live?
Yes living as Muslims - as a minority in a Non-Muslim land has its own predicaments, and quite often trials and tribulations (Shaykh Abdullah Bin Bayyah is probably the foremost expert on this topic (Check out my RIS Notes for his series of talks on Contemporary Issues Facing Muslims in the West), or his lecture set at Alhambra Productions ).
Rather than making excuses and faulting this country, this society, or our choice to live here here???; why dont we do what we are here to do, and follow in the prophetic example as the vicegerents of Allah
(swt) that our Creator wants us to be - and not only in the Muslim lands, but the whole world. Is not our ummah supposed the best of example for all of mankind?
Again please check out those notes for more on this issue. I ALSO HIGHLY RECOMMEND this talk by Shaykh Abdal Hakim Jackson (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-311638675392700709) on Islam and Muslims in America. Dr. Jackson is probably one of the hardest working individuals today in America working to help establish a Muslim American identity for our future. WATCH IT!; especially you “Reflecting muslim”.
It always bothers me that the people who leave the most controversial posts always choose to remain anonymous…
I was asked to post since i havent in a while. I have lately been wondering about how appropriate it is to put my thoughts in a public space when my mindset is changing so much so fast.
I originally wrote a gazzilion word post here addressing most of the issues raised by most of you, especially Mujahada with whom i respectfully disagree. I thought to myself in that ever so rare serious momment, I know some of you especially haseeb thinking does Smokey Bear have serious thoughts that he actually would consider posting? Yes i do which is why i wont address the topic but instead ask a question of my own.
I’ve been actually thinking about something. I realized not too long ago, a few weeks at most that our time here on earth is extremly limited and that there is at least one person dedicated to any cause i can think of from the enviornment, to womens rights, to world peace, to anti-imperialism etc. I followed this line of thought down further. I thought to myself you know each of these forms of suffering is bad but whats really worth fixing, worth talking about and living for and dying for, not as in merely a set of ideas but more importantly who or what do i want to save?
As i was thinking it through i realized that charity of practically any kind is practically the best thing anyone can do. Charity which gives without taking into consideration religion or politics or anything like that can be extremely noble. You dont have to bad mouth or kill anyone as you do in political struggles. You dont have to propogandize, propogage and brainwash people as you do in ideological and sectarian struggles. In many ways you can become a great person without falling into the traps of passions waiting for those who choose the political or ideological way.
For what a person chooses as the best way of governing or which God(s) he wishes to bow down before is a decision which i’m not sure it wise to encroach upon. Who knows if by such encroaching you may cause greater injury than good. But now think about charity, you will feed the hungry, cure the sick, entertain the hardworking etc. It might not be the perfect case scenario, it might not be the entire message but it certainly is from among the best of it, no?
If you think about the people on this earth who came to pass before you. They too lived in times of ideological and religious controversy. They too lived in times of discovery and etc but the key question is what made them good people? If you look at the dead that passed before us does the criticism of the critic even hold that caring for people is not all of the message or that its subverisve, a pat on the back etc. Because when i think about it, these are the only reliable role models besides the Prophets (peace be upon them), who else shows us how to lead good lives? Certianly not the ideologues or the politicians.
I may post less and less over time as my awareness is changing. Of course it may just be that i go back to posting ridicilious comments. We will see. Please do respond to this poste though.
haseeb once again i agree wid wot u said on this matter, the muslim response has to be firm but not violent. It is an oportunity for us to show the the world that the muslims are a community of intelectually elevated people who are very angry at the matter but we will still maintain our islamic manners, instead of a group of flag burning hooligans. As i am disgusted to the core that some1 has dared to mock the most noble personality who was sent down for whole humanity by Allah
, but i am equally disgusted with some of the extreme responses ive seen in the uk, i.e. people holding banners “calling for a repeat of 7/7″ or “Bin-ladens gonne get you”. ‘Mashallah’ these muslims have really shown the world what the prophet(pbuh) stood and died for.
Salaam ‘Alaikum
Just to note, where you write: “blog titled, How the Prophet May Have Responded to the Cartoons, ” the link there is going to your admin panel instead of the post at Ahmed 360 or Jenn’s blog (whichever you intended). I always end up doing that by accident, so I thought I’d let you know.
Also, this is totally off topic, but now I’m curious: are you using a plug in for putting the praise after you write Allah
and the Messenger of Allah 
(sallalahu aleyhi wa salaam), or something else? I just downloaded and installed the Islamic Praises plug in from Usayd Networks.
Assalamu Alaikum,
Its funny this whole their land our land buissness. Obviously its first off Allah
(swt)’s land. Second after listening to Imam Zaid Shakir it seems as though muslims owned the world way back when. So i ask ..who’s land is it really? Maybe its time we dig deep into history and see whos land it REALLY is. and even if its not “our land” we should be working hard to make it our land.
(swt) knows best.May Allah 
(swt) forgive our sins.Ameen.
Allah
Assalamu ALaikum
P.S. I’m not arguing just trying to make a point
Umm Zaid,
thanks alot! i fixed those errors
jazakallah khair
also yup, i just installed that plugin earlier today from him as well. I read ur blog just now too, and if u do ever get around to editing that plugin with ur suggestions please do send me a a copy of it
wasalaam
“Ah! Sorrow on the part (My) servants! There has not come one messenger of (Allah
) to them that they have not made fun of him. Do they not see how many generations before them We have destroyed? Verily, they (messengers) will not return to them: But each one of all of them (generations)-Will be brought before Us (for Judgment)” [36:30-32]
Salam
I think muslims are being manipulated and are acting like hypocrites and babies.
First of all these cartoons were published in denmark months ago, they are not new. And the first time around, nobody cared. The only reason these protests broke out is because islamist political leaders from Denmark began to publicize them in the Muslim world in order to inflame sentiment and cause problems for the danish government, and leaders in the muslim world (Hamas, islamist oppositions in alot of countries, the Saudis, etc) were all too happy to jump aboard. These are NOT spontaneous rallies and protests just springing up.
Working class people in Cairo and Damascus dont know anything about Danish newspapers, they dont read them, they dont care about them. People are being manipulated for political ends.
If you look at the rally in Syria where they burned down the embassy, I guarantee the Ikhwan or Ikhwan-connected imams were the ones who organized it and called for people to show up (probably during jumaa khutbas the day before). Also, YOU DO NOT BURN AN EMBASSY BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE A CARTOON
I hate Garfield but i never burned down that guy’s house let alone his country’s embassy… If you dont like a cartoon then dont read it. Send an angry letter. Boycott Danish products. WHATEVER. Just dont call for people’s heads and hands to get cut off and dont burn down buildings. Muslims are supposed to be civilized people, maybe we should start acting like it.
Also, political cartoonists in the Arab world often draw incredibly racist anti-semitic cartoons where rotten hook nosed jews are drinking blood, stepping on the heads of little kids, stabbing people, controlling other governments, and so on.. There was a TV show in Egypt (which sucked) about jews plotting how to start world wars and control the world in order to steal Palestine. When the ADL brings up the issue of antisemitism in the arab media, the Arab governments claim that its just free speech and they cant do anything about it. So I dont understand why its now so difficult to understand the concept of free speech which they claim to adhere to. If the Arab cartoonists are free to insult the jews then why arent the atheist cartoonists in Europe free to insult us?
My opinion: its called FREE speech for a reason. Anything goes. Dont like it? You have alot of options (turn the page, boycott the paper, draw a counter cartoon, write a letter to the editor, start a movement, run for office, kill yourself). But threatening to cut the cartoonist’s head off, demanding that the cartoonist be turned over for a trial in the dictatorship where you live, storming European offices with guns, or burning down embassies are NOT valid choices.
WS
Assalamu alaikum
knows best. May Allah 
(swt) guide us down the right path and forgive us for our wrong doings. Ameen.
I think this topic is one for the Ulema and we should react accroding to how they say we should react because they have the knoweldge to make these kinda of decisions. I don’t think we should condemn or promote any actions until we know what are right and wrong actions.and Allah
Just take the links to the pictures off, why spread this evil?!?!
Me likes Ahmed Zihni. Long live the Ba’ath.
The link doesnt work, true Baathists dont lie.
BBC News: Cartoon anger is a misrepresentation
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4685886.stm
Western embassies in Middle Eastern cities have been torched. Angry crowds have marched in the streets of London carrying placards calling for beheadings and massacres.
Yet despite how it looks on television news, the response to the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad
has mostly been non-violent so far.
There were no demonstrations at all in a sizeable number of Muslim countries. In Iran, Egypt, Pakistan and Iraq, the demonstrations passed off quietly.
Do you know that Saddam likes WWE also?
Hello everybody
I’m a muslim living in Denmark (check my IP hehe) and I stumbled over this website long ago whilst I was searching for Outlandish lyrics. Anyways I have visited this site occasionally to see the reaction on the drawings, which I think everybody here condemn. I have read some of the comments in here, (not everyone so forgive me if this have been brought up), about the reaction in the Arab world in general. We all condemn the burning of the embassies and the threats made towards the drawers and the government and so on.
But there’s more than religion in it, as on of the posters in here noted, this has a lot to do with politics. Various political and religious group can benefit greatly from this “crisis”. The MB in Syria, the varoius sects in Lebanon and so on have all some kind of motive. For example (I’m not trying to blame someone now) 179 poeple were arrested in Beirut and about half (a little less, I can’t recall the exact number) were syrians while about 1/4 were lebanese. This shows that this isn’t really as simple as a handfull aggresive ignorant muslims. What really happened is (what I think) is that you have PEACEFULL demonstrations against the drawings themselves from the majority, and then you have a smaller group that want to catalyse these extreme feelings. The attack on the embassy in Beirut were done by a break out group from the demo that went into the alleys and attacked the embassy from another angle (as I have understood from the media over here).
The important thing is that very few things go unnoticed in Syria and Lebanon and Iran for that matter, and what were supposed to be a calm demo were sabotaged by someone else. And the boycott thing is just silly, it was a PRIVATE owned news paper not the danish industry, you wanna shows them this is serious, boycott their news papers.
What happened is that in Denmark we have a really really REALLY weak foreign minister. This man (he is really wicked believe me) is NOT capable of handling Denmarks foreign affairs. The danish people are generally stubborn, and combined with such a bad minister… you guess.
Danes are really laughing right now. You know how they think? They watch extended TV news and wonder “how come moslems are getting so upset over some cartoons?”. They do not believe in family or religion, even the religious don’t, they believe in their constitution which gives the the right of “freedom of speech”.
The worst thing about this whole thing, is that right now the leader of the newspaper Carsten Juste is grinning and are praising the cartoons for making the turnout higher. The reaction are only a gain for the news paper.
if they make fun of jesus, i swear ill go after em myself! its b/c of jesus that im RICH “…from jesus walks lyrics”. prrrrraise!
To denigrate a constitution is something intensly foolish irrespective of which society you live in. The family is the cornerstone of society no doubt. But without the state which derives its legitimacy from a constitution be it republican or theocratic you have anarchy. Try raising your children and protecting your wife in an anarchy. I have much to say to muslims living in scandinavia about how much slack your governments have traditionally cut you in terms of freedom of religious expression versus their own native religious communities. Their own religious clericks get fined for making public statments of homophobic nature but non-christians are allowed to not be PC. It goes way beyond that but thats one example.
i appologize if i sounded arrogant or offensive in my post, i was just attempting to respond to a statement that i felt was not acurately depicting reality.
The protestors in London were so godamned stupid, they were like walking Muslim caricatures.
YO WORD HABIB REP YOUR SCANDINAVIAN PEOPLE
I AM DEAD SERIOUS, MAD LOVE TO DENMARK