Most of you in the NY/UK area have probably heard of Al-Muhajiroun (ALM). They are this stupid extreme group, that is basically a cult who recruits young Muslims to their extreme ways. In fact, growing up, I was exposed to Al-Muhajiroun for a couple of weeks at my local masjid until the elders of our Masjid finally realized how dumb they were and kicked them out. They were even prominent at Stony Brook University’s MSA (before my time), and they were kicked out of there as well. Basically they believe that almost every1 is an enemy of Islam and that we should strive to build a khilalafah and thats the solution for all of the problems of Muslims today. The entire west and every1 in it or related to it is stupid, a kafir, and going to hell. They mostly target young muslims (late teens-20s) and are, like i said earlier, are simply an extreme cult. The sad part is, that many confused young Muslims, already unsure of their own religiosity can easily be lured into the group because of their overly simplfied ideal improbable goals. ALM never condemned 9/11, or any acts of terror because they believe its against the enemies of Islam, and justified because of that. They always say the same bs about Ameirca and UK are under Israel’s control, and to basically follow America or UK is haraam. Actually everything is haraam. I remember at one of these stupid talks, they tried to get us hate our own parents because some of our mothers dont wear hijab properly, or because they want us to gain materialistic dunya goals, and so on.
Anyways, they’e just really counterproductive. I mention them only because today I read on BBC News that: A New group replaces al-Muhajiroun. Basically its made up of the ex-leaders of ALM.
They call themselves Ahl ul-Sunnah Wa al-Jamma, and today they called the Queen of England an enemy of Islam. What sucks is that many people in the west today actually believe that this stupid group has some value or popularity among Muslims today. They are laughed at and ridiculed by Muslims and looked down upon as the backward extremists that they are. You know what? Al-Muhajiroun, or Ahl ul-Sunnah Wa al-Jamma, or wahtever they hell they want to call themselves are the real enemies of Islam, not the freakin Queen of England. Theyre misrepresenting MY beautiful religion, and have ZERO credibility. Theyre self-appointed shaykhs have a worse impact on the way Islam is viewed in the world, than any American or British politiciain. If they dont like the west, particularly America and the UK, then they should stop being the hypocrites they are and get the hell out of our countries.
Honestly I’m with you on how bad these groups are, dont get me wrong, i hate people who exploit kids and the vulnerable wether the groups or muslims or not. Alot of people say that i have issues with the likes of say the Taliban. My response is typically, “why shouldnt i?” Alot of people agree on groups like the Taliban or Khomeni’s Iran being against the best interest of women, it takes very little arguing to get them to concede that. However, none of them ever wonder about the little boys and the young men who are sent out to walk over mines, to brandish guns and to kill innocents as well as aggressive forces “their” elites are fighting. Imagine what that does to the psyche of a young boy? Is it truly less harmful to him than what rape does to a woman? If you ask me the rape that happens to the woman happens once, but be sent out into battlefield and be ordered to kill repetitively at the age of ten or twelve or may be any age, thats to be raped over and over again. So yes Haseeb Any and I mean Any group of people that try to manipulate people and rip them apart from within must be stopped even in a free society, especially in a free society. However I find your disdain for them to be extremely shallow on your part. What you say about the ALM can be and is said about other groups of muslims including the “traditionalists,” the “contemporary americans,” the “pacifists,” the “progressives”, the “liberals,” etc. To call them evil or enemies is to commit one of the biggest blunders ever because it polarizes people over identity issues, over who you support or oppose and if we go back to the age of Uthman and Ali we get an idea as to why its such a big blunder, it is tribalism at its utmost peak, its tribalism resurfacing almost like a braggs peak, when you least expect it to and the divisions might lead to secterianism, it might lead to disbelief by the later generations as was the case with protestant christianity because of all the in fighting and to be honest if that happens its all good, muslims deserve it if you ask me not just because of ALM but also because of posts like yours. Everything i’m saying comes merely from an analytical point of view, i dont care much for this particular subject ideologically - its clear my views are very much in line with contemporary movements supporting liberalism,humanism, democracy, human rights, libertarianism, evidence based conclusions in science on the whole, i dont disguise it as anything else. Your political analysis is a bit off my friend though, just from an analytic standpoint your contempt for ALM blinds you to the fact that the same media agencies that can get the right information immediately on what goes on in Africa or China within 24 hours cannot understand muslims becuase of ALM. If you ask me thats just as stupid as the sort of things ALM says. Yes i agree with people like you who feel that you cannot sit eat and take a crap in another mans house and then curse him out and threaten him and just as muslims wouldnt do that to their hosts they shoudnt do it to their host countries either. Moreover, muslims do have to be a part of society and most definately have to integrate. But i think that your extremely misguided in your self-righteousness, in believing that you, you of all people know what is right and wrong far better than groups like ALM, the progressives like MWU!, secularists like Ataturk, the Sufis in the desi world, the non-muslims all around the world, the Salafis out in the arab world, the nationalists of the third world…why, because even the Republicans who so many muslims loathe are more open minded than that. Your part of a diaspora, part of a tiny migrant muslim community, part of tinnier still active middle class community within that community and you think that somehow you have a direct link with all the sages of the past up until the Prophet pbuh and thence to Allah
? To show and to prove that you really are more open minded and “not an enemy” of whatever said values you proclaim leave this comment up and dont edit it. I would like to know how much tolerance you truly have buddy or is it a tolerance like that of those very politicians you dislike who take away our freedoms at home while reconstructing foreign lands in the name of freedom, merely a mirage.
salam habib! yo where you been bro?
yo I agree with you that muslims should tolerate different viewpoints in our community but theres a difference between a legitimate viewpoint and a criminal gang. ALM is a group that continuously walks that line, its why they changed their name in the first place. I am pretty sure most of their leaders will eventually end up in prison on terrorism and incitement-related charges. This isnt a political organization or a religious sect, they are just radicalized kids being used by much smarter people for their purposes as you mentioned. Of course they have a right to say what they want (until they get busted by the cops for terrorism) but the rest of us have the right to call them out on their crap
By the way, the London suicide bombers were ALM members.
Salamu Alaikum
People who do not know the Taliban or their teachers or where they studied the religion from should avoid passing generalisations regarding them based on mere hearsay.
Secondly, I agree with Ahmed. There is a vast difference between legitimate differences of opinion amongst the Muslims - which we accept - such as in aspects of fiqh and even some minor points in ‘aqida, and between aberrant (shadh) positions which are completely in opposition to the revealed law.
Ofcourse I may not agree in calling them *evil* or our *enemies* which is pretty harsh - rather unacceptable - since the way of the Prophet was to speak in a way befitting, but people should understand what “ikhtilaaf” entails before placing everything within the realm of “difference”.
Nevertheless, distinguishing between the many groups that somehow make up the muslim population is sometimes necessary…. regardless of its negative consequences. We cannot live cooperatively with a society who believes that living in that very society is Haram! Nor can we put up with people whose constant takfir of great Ulema is lambasted on loud speakers and magazines and websites from east to west.
Recognizing deviancies is something that has been done from the beginning of the Islamic period, from the Khawarij to the Murjiah to the Ibadiyyah and so forth. The formation of the Usul wa Rijal al Hadith is a perfect example of filtering out so-called fabricated narrations meant to promote a particular belief system that was considered by the vast majority of the Ulema to be incoherent with “true” tradition. Due we lose our composure and call them names, belittle them and ridicule them? No, we dont. This is not the way of a believer. But we do make clear that they stand in error……
Wasalam
All muhajiroun sucks, I havnt seen any in london though, strangely enough
well dont say all ‘muhajiroons’ cause you know you, Haseeb, myself and others have emigrated to USA, we are also muhajiroons, ha ha.
But jokes aside, I really cannot believe they changed their names to “Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaa’ah” to sound more mainstraim. This is so not right. THese people have been labeled by traditional sunni and salafee scholars as being khawaraji.
Another misconception, they spread, or people have about them that they are salafee.
Real salafees will tell you they are not, they are some made up their own group with their own thinking but they want to take the label of salafee, it is really sad.
Because they make people like myself, look bad by using terms like ahlus sunnah wal jamaa’ah. By people like myself, I meant who are very moderate, attractive towards everyone, muslims and non-muslims alike. And who understand the real meaning of jihaad andthe religion. Who disagree with terrorism and any forms of it and spilling of innocent lives of muslims and non-muslims alike.
So, Iwant to clarify, do not for one moment think, that these people are salafees, no they are only salafee wannabes. Not that it is cool to be salafee or anything, but to them they are like,yeah we this and that.
But the salafees have called them khawarajee or those who are deviated.
Assalam-alaikum Br. Haseeb. Hope all’s well. Yes this is my first post. Just want to say Mash-Allah
and may Allah 
SWT grant you a lot of thawab for not being scared of stating the truth. I read your ‘Dirty Kuffar’ article. It was brill. Wanted to ask if I can photocopy and distribute, to many fellow Muslims, who have this sickening and disturbing victimisation 24/7 and softness towards condemning MUSLIMS being enemies of Islam.
(SWT) loves a person the more hardships He will inflict. So, I don’t know whats upsetting/depressing you, but try and remember that. I used to be skeptical about ‘depressed’ people in the West, in that they don’t physically have to go though poverty, illness etc etc. In fact there are times I was and do feel utterly depressed, that its like something engulfing you and you just can’t shake off.
Living in UK, I have also seen and heard al-Muhajiroun, on TV. At my uni, I remember looking at the ceiling of the lift and seeing ‘khilafah’ stickers, which Alhamdillah have been scratched away, but still visible during their ‘reign’.
Its so frustrating, because since 9/11 or 7/7, people think Muslims are just starting to condemn terrorism, when in fact there has been people like us, from Day 1, since the beginning of mankind condemning it.
My justification that the Muslim terrorists are more damaging and the biggest enemy of Islam is that, those non-Muslim hostile towards Islam, can only hurt Muslims, but the Muslim terrorists, hurt and kill not only Muslims but first and foremost destroy Islam, something which only they can do.
Anyway, please keep up your opinions. Islam needs truth tellers like you. Something greatly lacking amongst the Muslims.
Wasalam
PS: There is a Prophet (SAW) saying which I’ll rephrase that The more Allah
salams every1. i was kinda suprised to hear that ALM have come bak under a new name, ah lal sunna etc coz in britain they did kinda die out a few years ago but then came as…….HIZB UT TAHRIR!yes my lovlies, apparently, HT r their predecessors but they deny any links with ALM. Wot uve mentioned bout ALM n their ideology bout khilafah and the west n kuffar is EXACTLY wot HT propogate but in a “non violent” way.thats the differnce, so they say.
not sure if ur aware but after 7/7 british govt has vigourosly been trying to ban HT.
i dont agree to that bcoz although ive had my fair share of bad experiences with them and seen how they’ve manipulated and brainwashed young,new/new practising muslims incl some of my family, banning them would be going aginst the so called democracy britain stands for as they should be allowed to express their opinions and they r non violent, which is more for what can be said for the racist, islamaphobic, xenophobic BNP(british national party).
i just about manage to tolerate them and their views, although the view that khilafah will solve all problems i find a bit idealistic. but remember they are stil muslims and believe in the shahadah and muslims have always accepted diversity and differences of opinion, starting from way back in da days.
masalama
salman
people dont need to know the Taliban’s teachers or where they studied the religion in order to condemn them. If some guys forced my mom out of her job and my sister out of school, forced them to wear burkas against their will, forced me to grow my bear, enforced all these laws with beatings and floggings, not to mention killings, corruption, robbery, and a civil war that never really ended, and also blew up the sphinx or something for whatever reason, well….. I would not give a damn who their teachers were or where they studied the religion, I would hate them and want them out of my life and my family’s life regardless of who taught them. So I can understand a similar sentiment coming from Afghans who lived under their tyranny- which is exactly what I heard from every afghan i know in the US (with a couple of exceptions) and its also what came out very clearly after the US went in there and smoked the taliban out.
What sucks is that the Afghans are our brothers and sisters. I am sure most of us would not like people to treat our family the way the Taliban treated the Afghan women (and men). But alot of us go ahead and make excuses for them anyway
ASA.Me again. Just want to agree completely with what Ahmed says. The fact a group UNDER the name of ISLAM, can kill 15,000 civilians in a day and that there are Muslims who can still excuse or be soft on them really worries and disturbs me. Lets just say, it is disgusting if it has to take a taliban guy to kill your mother or father before you can clear the fog from your sight. How blind can people be that they don’t see a gunning down on a Jamaat on Friday in Ramadan in the mosque, a suicide bomber killing innocent children as they celebrate a water pipe installation. It is haram, whether victims are Muslim or not, but as it happens, Mash-Allah
these misguided creatures really know how to do it, by targeting Muslims.
As regards HT, yes they are ex Muhajiroun. Same people, same voices, but hey they have to curb themselves because they were too radical before. And about banning them, well amen to that. People cite wrongly when they talk about democracy. For me as a Muslim, ambassador of Islam, my isuue is that they corrupt Islam’s name, and not about democracy. LOL I find it so hypocritical when people ahve this anti-democacry stand on one side but then use that very thing as their argument to remain valid. and yes HT’s aim is to promote their Khilafah ‘idealistic’ view but get this, in the ‘middle east’. So.. why on earth are they in England. Oh yes, because they have been banned from the Muslim countries where they wanted to promote it. And I have to say, I havehard them speak on TV, and oh my word, do they lack Akhlaq. They are so rude, even to fellow Muslims, their words, their softness in condemning even now. They are no representation for us.
Wa’salam Hina
the first response was too long and didn’t make sense to me at all. You agree that alm suck but you disagree that hahmed has the right to state his opinion b/c who knows whos in the right? was that the gist? I really don’t understand how you could have made something that long.
on a side note, ever since website owner said he wouldn’t be concentrating so much on blogging, he’s posted 1once/day. hahahah
People who join ALM are losers who can’t make it in life. Most of them are on welfare, which is easier to get in the UK than tap water.
I agree with Ahmed on the Taliban as far as everyone loves them while they themselves sit in one of the most liberal nations in the world, arguably the most tolerant of religion anywhere inspite of the UN ranking the US a few notches below number 1, as far as i know the Taliban didnt even make it unto the list. I wont get into the difference between Europe and America & how America ranks alot higher on the religious freedom issue.
All i was telling Haseeb who is my good friend is that if America decided tomorrow to not allow KKK to speak that would be wrong. If the KKK harrass a person put them on trial but you cant stop them from talking. The same holds true for any of these groups. I’m not addressing the situation as Salman thinks from within Scholasiticism. Salman and myself arent on different chapters of the same book, we’re in completely different parts of the library and it would take many conversations to explain why that is. Besides all of those conversations are best had in person and at the end of the day most of them are boring.
Salamu Alaikum
When i said that one should know the teachers of the Taliban and where they studied from, I meant people who have been interacting with them on a religious and a socio-political level. This goes specifically for there leadership.
I know a number of Ulema who not only know some of the people within Taliban ranks, but also those who have had cordial relations with them - either as fellow students - or otherwise. These are not “backward minded Mullahs” but people who have grown up here in the west, taught in the west, and form the core of what we like to call “Sunni Islam”. I will not be mentioning specific names, and some of them have even come to Stony Brook, but, simply, they denounce most of the allegations against the Taliban as far fetched and outright falsehood.
Ofcourse, I also know a number of Afghanis who say the exact same. Then again everyone can make a case, no?
Anyway, the Sunna is to make excuses for your brothers and sisters and to think best of them, unless there is decisive proof to the contrary, which in this case it is not. Probabalistic proof - sure. Decisive, I doubt.
As for allowing people to talk their mind, it seems we are all coming here from a western perspective of “freedom of speech”. To be honest though, there is a difference between western “freedom of speech” and Islamic (or maybe I should term it better?). And Smokey is right, me and him are coming from opposite ends of the library. I am not trying to view ALM as a “western” threat but an “Islamic” threat, and I believe that freedom to express specific views is not tolerated in Islam as much as it may seem to be tolerated in the west, especially when those views are obviously deviant.
As i said though, I dont particularly agree with Haseebs approach. It is to blunt and harsh for me as a soooofi…..: )
Wasalam
nothing to do with the topic, but brother salman, tell me about sufism.i am so very much interested in it.u can a leave an answer here because im not too sure posting my email here would be wise?
Salam Salman
The ‘allegations’ against the Taliban which I brought up in my post are all true. Did the Taliban forbid women from working? Yes. Did the Taliban ban girls and women from schools? Yes. Did the Talibans have one of the worst human rights records in the world? Absolutely, according to Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and all the other human rights watchdogs. Were the Taliban a pariah state? Yes, every single country in the world refused to have diplomatic relations with them because of what they were doing, with the exception of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait (who eventually did withdraw their recognition). Did the Taliban blow up the Buddha statues? Well I saw the video of them blowing it up, and theres a big hole there now where the two statues used to stand, so that seems true as well..
I am sure there are plenty of ‘ulema’ and regular muslims in the West who were big Taliban lovers. The Taliban had a cult following for some reason that I will honestly never understand. The case is very strong against them, Taliban-controlled Afghanistan was a living hell. I know you’re a really smart guy Salman, so I dont understand why you are going through these apologetics for people who murdered and degraded your bros and sis’s
for real, if you can say the Taliban weren’t really the most pathetic, vile, worthless, wastes of human resources, that they really didn’t blow up those bhudda statues and halve the net worth of their population by banning women from schools…your probably one of the people who thinks the US and israel conspired to bring down the towers, who believes that Palestine will someday exist where Israel does, who believes…who ACTUALLY believes evolution is totally false….if you believe any of those…well ive got an island i’d like to sell to you
hahahahahahahahahaha
IF I could have a talk with you “Believe”,
I would. But I am gonna drop it and I am not talking about your position on some of the other things. But yeah, sometimes, it is belief is all you need, aint no way to prove there is God, now is it?
listen buddy. You can talk to me right on here. Please try to defend the actions of the taliban. You and i know you love them. explain to my why you believe they were so amazing.
dude! i wasnt talking about the Taliban, maan,
I was talking about Palestine and evolution
those are the only ideas I was gonna discuss, but no I dont like to talk behind a screen, not my style, I a little more fashionable.
lol. evolution is a fact. if you can dispute that, ill give you everything i own. israel is also a fact. if you think hamas and theyre petty slogans can push a powerful nation off the map, id love to see that magic.
Evolution a fact or a theory, aint nobody, not even its finders have called it a fact, it has always remained a theory.
And as far as Israel is concerned, I mean unless you’re jewish, I can see how you might be offended. Tell your Jewish wife, you still love her but that is land that was stolen from Palestinians. Whether or not it is powerful or exists doesnt mean I have to accept their aparthied.
stop arguing people.
erm, not all jews are zionists or sympathize with the israelies
im not jewish but since im actually friends with people other than muslims ( iknow its a shocker) i can see things from other perspectives. Jews are way more liberal than most muslims and if i had to choose between living in israel and living in a hamas controlled state, id choos israel hands down. additionally, your just trying to get off topic. earlier, i had said ‘israel is a fact’. You cannot dispute this. Israel is there and its very doubtful that it will ever be gone. Additonally, evolution is a fact. However, scientists looking at things objectively dont say, ‘well all the evidence is there…its officially a fact and thats final’. They call it a theory in the same way that gravity is considered a theory. They are always trying to disprove theories or find something better…unlike some who are basically always trying to shape whats around them into some other meaning, even if it means your trying to put a squre peg through a round hole. When your not wearing a belt, you would be ridiculous to suggest that instead of gravity, whats really happening is that angels are pulling your pants down. Believe me, its not angels, its gravity. thats how factual evolution is.
but getting back to the issue. its a FACT that the taliban were worthless and vile people
yo ‘believe’ if you lived in israel you would probably get treated like crap.. israeli society is mad racist. i dont know if its better than being in a fundamentalist muslim country but you should just stick with the US, its the best country in the world. I agree with most of the other stuff
Believing that the Evolution Theory is ‘merely a theory’ doesnt make you a dogmatic or ‘backward’. The theory of evolution isnt actually a proven fact, as some people may have us believe. Of course, its one of those issues that we cant really resolve over a blog’s comment’s page, but it is a fact that there are far more impasses in the theory of evolution than any other accepted theory in the scientific community today. In fact, its the only theory that does not define the mechanisms of how it really works. It’s more like a dogma defended by some desperate evolutionists. Anyhow, for more info on this issue, visit http://www.harunyahya.com . It’s quite a comprehensive website!
And to believe that “Palestine will one day exist where Israel does”…well, I dont find anything wrong with that idea. I think people are allowed to think whatever it is that they want. I know Israel is a powerful state at the moment, but there is no guarantee that it will always continue in this state forever. Every nation/civilisation has its ‘ups and downs’, and there WILL come a time when Israel, too, will become weak. So, to believe that Palestine will replace Israel is not a stupid thing at all. Many states in the past, that were a lot more powerful than Israel, had been completely dismantled in only a few decades. So where is the guarantee that Israel will reign ‘forever’?
I also have friends who are not Muslim, and no it is not a shocker, why ‘believe’, do you think of yourself and are assumign yourself to be more open-minded than me and more liberal or with vast thinking. I have a Yeshivite Jewish friend, you cant beat that. You are just friends with liberal jews. I am friend with one who hates Arabs to the core and with every breath praised Israel. I am not saying its not there. I just dont think it should exist and even thinking from their prespective, they could have taken Argentina, but they took a spot that was claimed to belong to all three religions.
It is surprising that you want to live in Israel. Please do, and let me know how it is. They are not your brothers in faith. You will see how you are treated there. Let me challenge you in fact to live there. I wanna know. They will look at you with every minute of your existence as an outsider, the guy who said it is a racist nation. It is beyond racist, it is xenophobic against everyone and if you are Muslim, especially sure against you.
Having friends does not make you think they will feel the same way about you. You are a muslim, open-minded, you consider all humans as human beings irrespective of their religion. You have a soft heart and attitude towards everyone(I hope it is everyone including most important your brothers and sisters) and this is all because of your religion. Islaam does not teach us to hate or defile anyone. We dont look at other people of different color or race as dirt. Let it be known, maan.
When a jewish man came to visit Rasool SAW, he got sick and Rasool SAW washed his clothes with his own hands(the man got diarrhea). I dont know the hadith or the reference for this, but this is the type of story I was told being brought up in an altra-orthodox Muslim home from a man, my father. YOu will never never never never never hear lessons like these taught to people of other religions and I am not saying that some of them will not be kind-hearted or soft, but not the way I was taught to be because my religion is right here and clear telling me to love all of God’s creation and especially human beings. I am nobody special, that Allaah assigned and blessed me with Islaam but I want to share this with the world and show them that a true Muslim is noble in character and does not shun anyway. No, this is not off topic. Because of your responses, it seems you are more impressed with people of other faiths than with your own muslim brothesr and sisters, you are looking at your brohters and sistesr as backward, uneducated, racist, intolerant, unreasoning. It is sad, brohter, you are a muslim and you view your own brothers this way. You know that a muslim is even closer than blood relatives to each other? So, even if your blood relatives are bad, you cannot stop loving them, you try to teach them, but you dont hate them. So, why hate that which you are a part of. Why deny your heritage and your religion. Why let others make you think you are worse than them or inferior to them. No brother, if you want to talk in person, with other muslim brothers and sisters, I would be willing to speak. Maybe give you my perspective, because it seems you think you know all the prespectives on life, religion out there but you only know your friends. You dont know mine and I am sure, I will blow you away with my prespective. Despite the stereotypes that I have been labeled with (generally speaking, not me specifically). I love all my brothers and sisters and this love is the one that keeps me close to them. I love all my brothers and sisters in humanity and this is the love that makes them draw towards me whether they are christian, jewish, hindu, atheist. Only if they have arrogance towards me, thinking me low-life, I will still try to be kind as the Prophet Muhammad
SAW taught us, and try. And I’ll tell you, in my life this worked, with me when one particular jewish person became my friend.
with all due respect sis I would rather live in israel as an arab getting treated like crap than in saudi arabia which is the most backward, repressive, woman hating, retrograde country in the world (it would have been second in all those areas but the US smoked the taliban out)
how do you know I am a sister?
another assumption, maan!
I didnt understand what would have been second in all those areas.
Well, anyways, I challenge you also to live there, i fyou say you’d rather live there than Saudi and I didnt say anything about living in Saudi.
I understand that Saudi is racist but if you havent lived there, how can you say that it is the most backward, repressive, woman hating, retrograde nation.
They have the most impressive buildings, facilities. As far as women hating goes, the women can get away with murder there(literally if she is pregnant, she wont get killed at least for anther 1 1/2 years). The women do all sorts of sins if they want behind doors and no one will know. I think, unless you have lived there, then you should be stick to your opinions without a doubt. So, women dont drive but the princess in Bahrain dont either, they fall in love with their cab drivers as a result. There was this one princess that did and she ended up marrying her cab driver, moving back with him to Bangladesh and he told her he couldnt marry her, he was already married, etc.
So they build the roads around his village, since she insisted.
I mean those Saudi women, and Khaleejiyyah in general, some of them get what they want. You would have to know them to know that. Yes, it seems like an oppressive society towards women. But women in Saudia told American women to mind their damn business. So, dont buy into what American media likes to project. Aint nowhere in the world as in America, they way women are oppressed, fooled into thinking they are okay, but reality is so harshly different.
And I dont care about the Taliban, so stop assuming that I do.
salam, I assumed you were a sister, and I still thaink you are but yo, if you’re a bro then just replace bro with sis
And as for Saudi I know all about what its like. You’re the one that is assuming now.. All about it. And i’ve been treated like garbage by Saudis in my own country on more than one occassion, and every hotel and hospitality worker I have ever spoken to has told me nothing but bad things about saudi guests. Actually, its not only saudis but also other gulf people, but Saudis are by far the worst. I have heard and personally witnessed so many horror stories with those people, the way they treat people that work for them, the way they have treated my own relatives, their disgusting behavior in public and in private, their ugly behavior towards women, their racism. I know an innocent young lady who was working for a saudi woman next door to my uncle and this disgusting excuse for a human treated her so horribly and abused her so often and so brutally that she jumped off the 9th floor balcony. Now you tell me that jews treat palestinians so bad that they kill themselves, well Saudis do it too, except its in the household not in occupied territories. I can get into other specifics if you’re interested but I have seen the quality of the saudi character time and again and let me tell you it is in the gutter. No its below the gutter, its in the sewer.
And yeah, I’ve seen saudi women ‘unleashed’ so to speak, and their behavior isnt much better than the men’s. But when I said that Saudi Arabia is the most anti-woman country in the world, that wasnt just my opinion, its based on the assessment of human rights groups like Amnesty International and the UN Arab Human Development Report (written by arabs). When I say that they are one of the least free countries in the world, I base it on the assessment of Freedom House which ranks them second worst, and absolute worst when it comes to religious freedom. Who cares if Saudi women can dress like sluts inside closed doors, that isnt what freedom or women’s rights means. The law in Saudi treats them like second class citizens.. or more like fourth class. They dont have basic autonomy, freedom of movement, civil rights, political rights, legal rights. If you lived in Saudi then you probably know this but either make excuses for them or actually approve of it (probably if you’re a guy)
Look, if you want to worship the degenerate reptile King Abdullah or the late degenerate big stakes gambler King Fahd, or you want to support the backward bedouin village that they run and call a country then you can go right ahead, its your choice. But personally, I am a Muslim and I worship Allah
, and I support democracy.
uh, i might have went a little too far there. I dont like saudi or most saudis so i might have been carried away. I know you dont worship those scumbag kings, i shouldnt question anyone’s belief- so please dont take offense at that
peace
Good for you!
just to let you know, I am not defending Saudis, I know they are aweful, I couldnt agree with you more and yes I have also heard horror stories too. , about the character of Saudis, and I am not talking about them, I already know they are horrible.
You are right, you’d feel better being abused or discriminated agaisnt by non-muslims than a fellow muslim, I totally agree with that. I know I’d be a hellauv alot more upset if a Muslim treated me bad versus a non-muslim. But there are good and bad people everywhere something we have to remember and no I dont worship any Abdullah king or crown prince. Although, “backward village” maybe? If I get to practice Islaam then I dont really much care (as bad as it sounds) how they see everything else. If I can wear weird islamic clothing and pray five times a day at a masjid, and make a halaal living, then I am all set. The only cities where I would wanna live would be Makkah or Madinah, anyways, for obvious reasons.
And then Jerusalem, if I can pray in masjidil Aqsa. I see where you are coming from, dont get me wrong but I think, or so I feel(I dunno) that you are assuming or suggesting that I am blindly without reason supporting the state. I dont mean it that way. I meant day to day living there how it feels because I’d like to see and if it really is that stifling for me, I can always come back to good ol’ America
But see, I didnt benefit much from living in America( except education and even learnign about islam). My standard of living is not exactly what I wanted. I didnt get things in life that I wanted. I dont know if Ihad been living elsewhere, I would have gotten it or not.
salaam brother and sisters…..
i’ve seen al-muhajiroun (ALM) working first hand….there were a few brothers and sisters who belonged to that group in my college (England).
the thing about them was that they were going on to the extriem side of things but they forget the basics of islam…..true they covered and prayed and everything else but they would openly free mix while saying not to do so…….the would laugh at people (muslims) and take the mick out of them.
the brothers would walk around college with sisters…….just like the non-muslims did…….
The ALM sisters were extermly bad….one time a muslim sister came to college and she had started to wear hijab…..we all praised her for it…..however the ALM sisters laughed at her because her scarf was not put on very neatly……..then a few weeks later they were stopping people outside the college and telling them that they should act like good muslims and not laugh and take the mick out of other people……this made me angry because they were total hypocrites………
Once every week the ALM’s would stand outside the college gates at lunch time and stop people to talk to them about “Islam”…..and people would actualy cross the road to get away and they would chase them……..it turned in to joke…….
One thing that i did notice is that they would target the brothers..telling them about palestine and afgan….they would give them leaflets that would fill them with anger and rage….that was their main aim……….
the ALM sisters were a joke…..they would try to embarrass you……they would go past you in a busy corridor and they would grab you in front of everyone and say your hairs showing when it wasn’t……….they would do this in front of brother and non-muslims…………that was totalling embarrassing……and i’m pretty sure that not allowed in islam.
Luckly i haven’t seen any of them at my Uni….
Just thought i’d let everyone know that ALM was total joke and a load of hypocrites.
They were too busy hooking up too! getting married at unis, their idea of establishing a khilaafah was to find a woman and get married. LOL! load of jokes, thas right.
Look Muslim, this has gotten out of hand. I was talking about evolution, and frankly, i think i would rather live in a repressive jewish state than a repressive muslim state. HOwever, that’s my opinion, im not going to MOVE to israel and live there just to prove it to you. And yeah, some of these rich arabs should be hosed, hands down, in saudi arabia. Same with orthodox jewish settlers. I don’t disrespect muslims, i disrespect muslims who they they are better than everyone else b/c they have a chosen religion. I disrespect anyone who believes they are truly chosen b/c gawd somehow chose them to go to heaven and the other guy to go to hell. Anyhow you assume too much about me. What makes you thik i only have liberal jewish friends? ive been to my share of ba mitzvahs, liberal and orthodox and i have at least half a dozen yeshivite people i consider real close friends, same with christians and muslims, hindus and atheists. Yeah, islam is a beautiful religion and all that. But you can find beautiful things about every religion. Its the criticisms that tell you what a religion is really about and to ignore those criticisms is to ignore reality and perpetuate those drawbacks by closing your eyes.
Dear Usma
If you have any specific questions regarding Tasawwuf, which is a better term in my opinion then sufi*ism*, you can email me at salmany@sunnipath.com
I know the message is late and I hope you read it.
Wasalam
I got a total shock today.
I had read on this website that ALM were back under a new name and the last time i left a message on this page, i was saying how lucky i was because i hadn’t seen them around.
Well today i was coming into uni with my sister and what do i see, about 7 or 8 sisters that were at my college and belonged to ALM and about five brothers holding a load of leafets and stopping people at the Uni gates. My first words to my sister were ‘oh no, their back’.
I just looked to the ground and basically walked at super speed past them. I can’t believe they have started up again in my town.
I guess no one can escape them
:)
I suppose the only thing we can do is ignore them and hopefully they will go away.
Hey,
I think they’re new name is al Ghurabaa.
Unfortunately their spokesman has been on mainstream tv a lot in relation to the cartoon controversy.He was really disrespectful and spoke, sorry i mean shouted over people instead of letting them talk.